Ketaatan Istri terhadap Suami di Dalam Bibel

The Bible teaches that a husband should have authority over his wife...



Colossians 3:18

Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

1 Peter 3:1

Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives,



However, what kind of submission are we talking about here?...



1 Peter 3:5-6

5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.



So aren't the pious Christian women of today also supposed to follow this example and call their husbands their master?


It is good that the New Testament teaches that a wife should obey her husband but you can kind of get the impression that it takes it a little bit too far...



Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.



The wife should submit to their husbands in EVERYTHING? Isn't that a little bit too extreme? Paul is saying that the wife should submit to the husband as the Church does to Christ. Now since Christians believe that Christ is God does that mean that the wife should obey her husband as if she is obeying God and give him the same rights? The verse clearly states that the wife's submission to her husband should be as one's submission to God and we all know that this is unconditional submission.

Christians might argue back that a wife doesn't have to obey her husband if he orders her to commit a sin against God, for God would never order such a thing. Fine, but what if the husband orders his wife to do something that might be injurious to her health? If God ordered it, she would have to do it, for God has given the woman her body and she has to submit to Him. This also means that she would have to obey her husband since she must submit herself to her husband's orders as if God Himself were issuing them.

You can see a similar problem here.



In Islam there are limits when it comes to obedience to people...



Surah 4:135

O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well- acquainted with all that ye do.



Also it comes in several hadith...



Saheeh Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 258:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "A Muslim has to listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as his orders involve not one in disobedience (to Allah), but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it. (See Hadith No. 203, Vol. 4)
Volume 9, Book 91, Number 363:

Narrated Ali:

The Prophet , sent an army and appointed some man their commander The man made a fire and then said (to the soldiers), "Enter it." Some of them intended to enter it while some others said, 'We have run away from it (i.e., embraced Islam to save ourselves from the 'fire')." They mentioned that to the Prophet, and he said about people who had intended to enter the fire. ''If they had entered it, they would have remained In it till the Day of Resurrection.'' Then he said to others, "No obedience for evil deeds, obedience is required only in what is good ."



Saheeh Muslim
Book 020, Number 4535:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu 'Abd al-Rahman from 'Ali that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a force (on a mission) and appointed over them a man. He kindled a fire and said: Enter it. Some people made up their minds to enter it (the fire), (carrying out the order of their commander), but the others said: We fled from the fire (that's why we have come into the fold of Islam). The matter was reported to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said to those who Contemplated entering (the fire at the order of their commander): If you had entered it, you would have remained there until the Day of Judgment. He commanded the act of the latter group and said: There is no submission in matters involving God's disobedience or displeasure. Submission is obligatory only in what is good (and reasonable).



So in Islam if a husband orders his wife to do something wrong she must not listen to him and obey him in EVERYTHING just like the New Testament says. She also doesn't have to obey unreasonable requests

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Jilbab di Dalam Al-Qur'an dan Bibel

The command to wear the veil is found in both the Quran and Bible.

However, the reason for the command is different when you compare the two books.

Let's see what the Quran says...



Surah 33:59

Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.



So the Quran says that women should wear the veil so that they can be recognized (as pious Muslim women) and then no one would bother flirting or annoying them. Dr. Zakir Naik illustrates this nicely in an example...



Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur'an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested. (www.drzakirnaik.com)





Let's compare this with the Bible...



1 Corinthians 11:3-12

3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head-it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head,[a] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.



So we see that since the man is the glory of God and the woman is the glory of man then she has to wear the veil as a sign of authority. Her wearing the veil shows that she is subjected in authority to the man.



power authority, i.e. the sign of the husband's authority. (Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition), Commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:10, Source)





Also notice what verse 10 says, "and because of the angels". A woman has to wear the veil because of the angels. What does this mean? Some commentators don't know...



What this means, I do not yet understand. (The 1599 Geneva Study Bible, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:10, Source)



Because of the angels. This clause has puzzled the critics. The idea probably is: "There should be no violation of decorum, such as a bareheaded woman in a public assembly would be, lest it offend the ministering angels which are always present, though unseen. (People's New Testament, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:10, Source)





However, others have given some explanations...



because of the angels, that is, say some, because of the evil angels. (Matthew Henry Complete Commentary
on the Whole Bible, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 11, Source)





Who are these evil angels? The next commentary elaborates more...


De Veland. Virg. c. 7. understands them of evil angels, and that a woman should cover her head in time of worship, lest they should lust after her; though much rather the reason should be, lest they should irritate and provoke lust in others: (John Gill's Exposition of the Bible, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:10, Source)



As we see there is an opinion that the woman should wear the veil so that the angels won't come down and have sex with them!



Therefore women should cover their heads in order not to tempt the angels to come down and take them as wives and this is supported by...



Genesis 6: 1-4

When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.



This Christian thinks that the 'sons of God' being referred in this verse are the angels. Some Christians try to refute this, however they have been refuted back as can be seen here.

You also have...


2 Peter 2:4

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons[b] to be held for judgment;



The commentary of this verse states...



and of Aza and Azael, angels, who, they say, sinned by lusting after the daughters of men, they frequently affirm, that God cast them down from their holiness (John Gill's Exposition of the Bible, Commentary on 2 Peter 2:4, Source)



Jude 1:6

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home-these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.



Here is the commentary of this verse...



The sinning of angels can be thought of in two main ways: in the original rebellion of some angels against God, and in the sin of the "sons of God" described in Genesis 6:1-2


i. Genesis 6:1-2: Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
c. This describes some type of sexual union between these sinning angels (spirit beings) and willing humans

d. It is useless to speculate on the nature of this union. Whether it was brought about by something like demon possession, or whether angels have power permanently to assume the form of men is not revealed.

e. How can we know there was something sexual here? Jude tells us in verse 7: in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh - as in Sodom and Gomorrah, there was an unnatural sexual union
i. Understand that the occult is filled with sexual associations with the demonic, and there are those today who actively pursue such associations

ii. It goes without saying that the blood of Christ can free anyone from such terrible experiences, and that a child of God has a unique protection in such matters
f. God judged these wicked angels, setting them in everlasting chains; apparently some fallen angels are in bondage while others are unbound and active among mankind as demons.
i. By not keeping their proper place, they are now kept in chains - their sinful pursuit of freedom has put them in bondage

ii. Those who insist on freedom to do whatever they want are like these angels - so free that they are bound with everlasting chains! True freedom comes from obedience.

iii. Their sin has separated them from the presence of God; so will your sin! And, if angels cannot break the chains sin has brought upon them, what make you think you can? You need Christ to set you free!
g. The warning: your spiritual status doesn't matter; you must still continue to the end
i. Angels who once enjoyed marvelous intimacy in God's immediate presence are now banished from Him; their high spiritual status wasn't enough

ii. There will be many in hell of "high spiritual status;" all of that will be of no help on judgment day (David Guzik, Study Guide for Jude Chapter 1, Source)







Conclusion

So the Quran tells women to wear the veil for purposes of recognition, safety and honor and the Bible tells women to wear the veil so that it can show that they are subjected to man in authority and so that they should not tempt the angels to lust after them. Which book degrades the women by ordering her to wear the veil?

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Lagi, Tentang Hukuman Mati Bagi Orang Murtad

الحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على نبينا محمد. وأشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أ ّ ن محمدا عبده ورسوله. أما
بعد:
Apostasy and Islam: The Current Hype1
Much has been said in recent months concerning the law of apostasy in Islam. In
particular, the recent case in Afghanistan has highlighted, once again, to many in the
Western world that the Muslim world is neither civilized nor respective of human
rights. Repeatedly one hears cries that the Muslim countries must change in order to
join “the family of civilized countries” in today’s world. In fact, the Islamic law of
apostasy seems to be one of the most obvious cases where a “fundamental” human
right is violated by Islamic law, bringing up the question of whether Islamic law is even
suitable for modern times or must Muslims be compelled to modify and change their
religion and laws.
Indeed, Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, signed by the vast
majority of today’s countries, reads: “Everyone has the right to freedom of thought,
conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and
freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest
his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.”
On the other hand, Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
of Allah be upon him) said,
لا ي  حلُّ  دمُ امِ ر ٍ ئ مُسل ٍ م ِإلاَّ ِبِإ  ح  دى َث َ لا  ث الثَّيبُ ال  زاِني  والنفْسُ ِبالنفْ ِ س والتا ِ ركُ ل  ديِنه اُلمفَاِ رقُ للْجما  عة
“It is not legal [to spill] the blood of a Muslim except in one of three cases: the
fornicator who has previously experienced legal sexual intercourse (i.e. with one’s
husband, wife, etc.), a life for a life and one who forsakes his religion and
separates from the community.” (Recorded by al‐Bukhari and Muslim.)
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is also reported to have said,
م  ن ب  د َ ل دينهُ َفاْقتُُلوهُ
“Whoever changes his religion is to be killed.”2 (Recorded by al‐Bukhari and
others.)
1 ©2006, Jamaal Zarabozo, wri􀄴en for islamhouse.com.
These texts from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) have led the
vast majority of Muslim scholars to conclude that the punishment for apostasy from
Islam in Islamic Law is death. It is true that there are some, especially contemporary
writers, who opt for very different conclusions and argue that such a death penalty is a
misunderstanding of Islamic Law. This is not the proper place to enter into such a
debate. Instead, this author shall presume that the opinion that has been held by the
vast majority of the scholars is the correct opinion. This entire discussion, therefore,
shall be in the light of that conclusion. If the harsher punishment can be “defended”
from the current onslaught, any lesser punishments will, obviously, be even more so
defensible.
This opinion held by the vast majority of Muslim scholars of the past puts the
contemporary Muslim into quite a quandary—especially given a “modern” view of
religion that believes that religion must be changed if it does not meet the rational
requirements of the times. However, before one immediately jumps to resolve an issue
of this nature, one has to realize that there are a number of unstated premises that are in
the background.
Furthermore, if one is being asked to give up the dictates of his faith, there should be
rather strong compelling evidence demonstrating that his faith (or some aspect of it) is
simply unacceptable. In other words, nobody should be asked to give up something
that they believe in unless there truly is strong proof that what he believes in must be
wrong or unacceptable. Otherwise, on what basis should an individual—any
individual, be he Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, whatever—compromise on something
that he believes is demanded by or beloved to his very own creator and lord?
At this point, it is necessary to inject a further comment, because issues of this nature
are often the result of different worldviews and perceptions. Many in the West have the
2 It should be noted that this hadith does not give the “wisdom” behind this law. Thus, the complete
reasoning why an apostate should be killed is not explained in the text (other than the specific case in the
other hadith of abandoning the community). Hence, any discussion of the reason behind the act can be
considered no more than speculation and conjecture. This is a very important point because some people
try to “defend” this law by deriving reasons behind it, such as the commonly heard argument that
apostasy is a threat to the state and is therefore tantamount to treason; thus the state has the right to kill
said individual. This rational argument is sometimes answered simply by saying, “I do not think that an
individual’s apostasy is a threat to the state.” The fact is that the complete wisdom behind this ruling is
not explained to humans in the texts of the Quran or Sunnah. For example, it could possibly be the case
that if someone has grown up and is living in an Islamic state, there is no rational excuse for him to give
up the religion of Islam and become an apostate. Perhaps such an act by such a person is so grave that
God, his Creator, deems that he is no longer deserving of life. This would definitely be God’s prerogative
from an Islamic perspective. Again, this author is not stating that this is the wisdom behind the law of
apostasy but is only saying that the real wisdom behind this law is not explained in the text and one must
be cautious about stating what the reasoning is.
understanding that “faith” means to believe in something that one cannot prove. This is
not the approach of Islam.3 In general, Muslims hold that there are very strong, rational
reasons for them to believe in their religion. It is not simply a matter of “blind faith.”
Instead—and this is obviously not the proper place to go into this in detail—Muslims
think, for example, that the excellence of the Quran, its unquestionable historical
authenticity, and the numerous miracles4 related to it all point to this book being a true
revelation from God. Thus, before a Muslim is asked to override something found in his
religion, there had better be very strong evidence that something is mistaken or
unacceptable in the religion of Islam. Furthermore, from a Muslim’s perspective, the
burden of proof in such a case would be upon the one who claims that there is
something superior or more suitable than what is found in Islamic law. (It must be
stressed that this seems to be an issue that many in the West simply cannot comprehend
because they think that faith is just a matter of blind faith and they do not realize that
Muslims have rational reasons for believing in Islam and Islamic Law.)
The question that the Muslim must pose, therefore, is the following: Do those who
promote “human rights” or “civilization/modernity” have such evidence and strong
proofs? Without jumping too much ahead, it would seem that they do not.5 In fact, one
can question, based on their own statements about civilization, whether those who call
for “civilization” are actually civilized themselves. What are the criteria by which a
country is to be judged to be among “the family of civilized nations” today? Is it, for
example, the acceptance and respect for those vaunted “human rights”? This would
seem to be the underlying premise of many statements heard in the media today. If that
is the case, then the list of human rights need to be studied in further detail.
3 Allah mentions in numerous places in the Quran that the messengers were sent with clear proofs,
evidence and signs.
4 For example, in recent years, many researchers have demonstrated how Quranic information is
completely consistent with modern scientific data, either pointing to aspects mentioned in the Quran that
were not discovered until recently or pointing to the fact that the Quran never mentions aspects that
people used to be believe in but which have now been discovered to be false. The interested reader may
consult, for example, Keith L. Moore, Abdul‐Majeed A. Zindani and Mustafa A. Ahmed, Quran and
Modern Science: Correlation Studies (Bridgeview, IL: Islamic Academy for Scientific Research, 1990), passim.
5 A very important question that unfortunately lies beyond the scope of this short article is: How and on
what basis does one determine what constitutes a “fundamental human right”? The Islamic answer
would be that fundamental human rights are those human rights that God, their creator, has granted
humans. For others, the answer may lie in some theory of “natural law” or simply due to convention or
agreement. The fact is that even from a secular point of view, it is difficult to establish that something is
truly a “fundamental human right.” An interesting recent discussion highlighting this sort of difficulty is
Larry Alexander, Is There a Right of Freedom of Expression? (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2005),
passim.
The “Family of Civilized Nations” and Human Rights
One would expect that those who make a great fuss over the human rights of a Muslim
accused of apostasy are themselves people who fulfill many, if not all, of the agreed
upon human rights. It is interesting to take a glance at the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights signed over fifty years ago and see how many “civilized nations” of
today are actually fulfilling the rights that they devised, agreed to and exhort the rest of
the world to adhere to—especially, it seems, the Muslim world.
Here is a sampling of some of the rights of that original convention (for the sake of
brevity the later conventions that were also agreed to shall be ignored here6):
Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or
punishment.
In the history of mankind, two sets of people are well known for compiling manuals
and research on the art of torture: the members of the Inquisition and the CIA. In recent
times, perhaps everyone is familiar with the current debate in the United States about
the use of torture on “terror” suspects.
Although it is a very general reference source, it is interesting to note what the 2004
Microsoft Encarta has to say about torture:
Until the 13th century torture was apparently not sanctioned by the canon law of the
Christian church; about that time, however, the Roman treason law began to be adapted
to heresy as crimen laesae majestatis Divinae (“crime of injury to Divine majesty”). Soon
after the Inquisition was instituted, Pope Innocent IV, influenced by the revival of Roman
law, issued a decree (in 1252) that called on civil magistrates to have persons accused of
heresy tortured to elicit confessions against themselves and others; this was probably the
earliest instance of ecclesiastical sanction of this mode of examination… In the 20th
century the use of torture was revived on a major scale by the National Socialist, Fascist,
6 Other important international treaties include: the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948), the International Convention on the
Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (1965), the UN Covenant on Civil and
Political Rights (1966), the Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966), the
Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (1979),
the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or
Punishment (1984), and the Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989). Each of these
is ratified by numerous countries. Interestingly, the Convention on the Rights of the
Child has been ratified by virtually every country in the world except the United States,
the accepted leader of the “family of civilized nations” and Somalia, obviously a
member, many of the West would imply, of the “barbaric” nations of the world.
and Communist regimes of Europe, usually as a weapon of political coercion. In addition,
the Communist governments made use of the so‐called brainwashing technique, a form
of psychological torture in which mental disorientation is induced by methods such as
forcing a prisoner to stay awake indefinitely. Brainwashing was practiced extensively on
prisoners held by the Communists during the Korean War. Complaints about the use of
physical and psychological torture have also been lodged against many other regimes in
Latin America, Africa, and Asia.7
The nerve of those fascists and communists! The nerve of those uncivilized countries in
Latin America, Africa and Asia! This is not the proper place to enter into a critique of
the use of torture by the “family of civilized nations” who first and foremost uphold
“human rights.” The interested reader may consult, just to name a few books, Alfred
McCoy’s A Question of Torture or Jennifer Harbury’s Truth, Torture and the American Way
as well as two books more specific about the recent debate Abu Ghraib: The Politics of
Torture and The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Ghraib. The amazing aspect to mention is
that during this debate in the media, there has been very little or no mention that
freedom from torture is, according to what the United States’ government signed, a
fundamental human right.
It should be noted that for decades now Muslim activists have faced torture in prisons
throughout the world with, for the most part, the West turning a blind eye to such
activities. Indeed, some Western writers—even one who claims to be Sufi—defend such
practices. For example, in Stephen Schwartz’s The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa’ud
from Tradition to Terror, he states that Nasser’s regime’s “brutal repression of the Muslim
brotherhood…was both necessary and justified.”8 Of course, he never notes that it was
this brutality and torture in Nasser’s prisons that truly led to the emergence of
extremism in the Muslim world.9
Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal
protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in
violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
7 © 1993‐2003 Microso􀄞 Corporation. All rights reserved.
8 Stephen Schwartz, The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Sa’ud from Tradition to Terror (New York:
Doubleday, 2002), p. 134.
9 Many of those extremists, it should be noted, found their way later to Afghanistan. For more on the
development of this extremism under Nasser, see Abdul Rahmaan al‐Luwaihiq, Religious Extremism in the
Lives of Contemporary Muslims (Denver, CO: Al‐Basheer Company for Publications and Translations,
2001), pp. 95‐123.
Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair, and public hearing by an independent and
impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal
charge against him.
Article 11
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until
proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees
necessary for his defence.
These “fundamental human rights” are very interesting in the light of the manner in
which both the United States and the European Union have responded in their “war on
terror.” This point and the earlier comments seem to make it very clear that these
fundamental human rights, which these very same nations speak so highly of, are by no
means absolute. The “family of civilized nations” is more than ready to deny these
human rights for the sake of “national security,” in other words, for the purpose of
state. This is very telling. It clearly demonstrates that even from these countries’ points
of view, the interest of the state is the most compelling factor. One simply has to
understand and realize that his human rights can be suspended if necessary in the
interest of the well‐being of the state.
Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom
to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and
ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Obviously, freedom of religion and opinion is something that the West stands for—or
does it really? In March 2006, David Irving, a British historian, was sentenced to three
years in prison in Austria for denying the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz
during the Nazi holocaust. The Austrian law states that it is illegal to deny or “grossly
play down” the Nazi genocide.10 This is a crime that has landed someone in prison. Yet
where is the outcry from the “pro‐human rights” governments of the West. Why are the
Western leaders not asking in relevant forums, “When is Austria going to join the
‘family of civilized nations’”? The EU, perhaps the most vocal supporters of human
rights, does not seem to have a problem with a law of this nature from one of its own.
Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable
conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
10 See Time Magazine, March 6, 2006, p. 15.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for
himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if
necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his
interests.
Aren’t these the kinds of things that people demonstrate for outside of the World Trade
Organization’s meetings? If the powerful nations (along with their friends in the
powerful corporations) were fully in favor of these agreed upon human rights,
wouldn’t they be embracing the demonstrators with open arms? Is that what occurs or
are they met with the largest battalions of riot police the world has ever seen?11 Could it
possibly be the case that, according to the “family of civilized nations,” if “noble”
profits are involved, then one may ignore human rights?
Today, there is a movement in the United States demanding the institution of a “living
wage” as opposed to a “minimum wage.” The movement, so far, has not met with
much success or acceptance.
Incidentally, beginning in 1923, Congress introduced the Equal Rights Amendment, to
give equal rights to women, including the right to equal pay for equal work. Although
the deadline to ratify that amendment was extended all the way until 1982, it was not
ratified by enough states and has never become part of the US constitution.
Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to
realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with
the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights
indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 25
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of
himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and
necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness,
disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his
control.
These are truly amazing articles. It can be argued that anyone who believes in or
promotes free market, liberal capitalism is, in essence, stating and showing that they do
not believe in this human right. Free market capitalism, due to the violation of its
essential assumptions, is not geared to producing “the best of all possible worlds” and
11 The Abramoff scandal has shown that there are even forced abortions among the labor force in Saipan,
a land owned by the United States and therefore what is manufactured there may have the label, “Made
in the U.S.” The referred to labor force includes a large number of young women brought in from other
countries, such as the Philippines.
only produces what the skewed market demands. A mixture of capitalism and
socialism, at best, can provide something but probably not all that is needed. But it is
this very mixture of capitalism and socialism that has been the target of attack in recent
years. The policies of the World Bank, the IMF and the WTO, which are nothing but
tools in the hands of the “family of civilized nations” have been nothing short of an
assault on any such “socialist” practices on the part of governments, especially those of
lesser developed countries. The “liberalization” policies are in complete contrast to the
“fundamental human rights” of the individuals of those countries.
The point of the above discussion is not to argue that “two wrongs make a right” and
that, if those civilized countries can violate “human rights,” Muslim countries should be
allowed to do the same. (True, such a stance on the part of Western nations can be seen
as very hypocritical, and nothing breeds hatred and resentment like hypocrisy in action.
However, again, that is not the main point here.) The point being made here is that it is
rationally understood that there may be some issues that take precedence over what
one understands to be fundamental human rights. In other words, as stated above,
these rights cannot be considered absolute and defensible under all circumstances. This
is true even for those countries who accept these fundamental human rights in
principle. Thus, rights are good and important but they are not the end all of the issue.
Other important and overriding factors may also have to be considered. Perhaps
nothing highlights this point more than the recent debate on torture—even though the
same countries who are debating the legality of torture have agreed that torture is
clearly considered a violation of fundamental human rights.
Could God Legislate Death for Apostasy?
Many Christians, in particular, seem abhorred by the fact that Muslims could believe
that God has legislated death for apostasy. This author has personally heard Christians
claim, once again, that Islam must be some barbaric religion to believe in such a penalty.
This attitude is very perplexing to this author. It is one thing to say, “We no longer
believe in such a law” and quite another to say, “We do not believe in a God that would
legislate such a penalty.” In the former case, the individual is simply turning his back
on what may have been part of his religion. Such an approach is common for modernist
Jews, Christians and Muslims. However, the latter approach clearly denies what is
stated in their holy books. (Unfortunately, this is also not uncommon for modernists.
However, many less‐extreme Jews, Christians and Muslims do not allow themselves to
go that far.)
An in‐depth study of all of the relevant Biblical texts is well beyond what is needed
here. Hence, only one or two verses shall be commented upon.12
Exodus 22:20 reads, “He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he
shall be utterly destroyed.” Famed and widely respected Biblical commentator Matthew
Henry had the following to say about this verse:
IV. Idolatry is also made capital, v. 20. God having declared himself jealous in this matter,
the civil powers must be jealous in it too, and utterly destroy those persons, families, and
places of Israel, that worshipped any god, save the Lord: this law might have prevented
the woeful apostasies of the Jewish nation in after times, if those that should have
executed it had not been ringleaders in the breach of it.13
Numbers 25:1‐5 reads:
1 And Israel abode in Shi􀄴im, and the people began to commit whoredom with the
daughters of Moab. 2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and
the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. 3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor:
and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. 4 And the LORD said unto
Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the
sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel. 5 And Moses
said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.
Another passage, Deuteronomy 13:6‐11 is also quite telling:
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy
bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go
and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the
gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from
the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent
unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare,
neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first
upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou
shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from
the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of
bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such
wickedness as this is among you.
2 Chronicles 15:8‐19 has the law being applied even to the young among the apostates.
The relevant verses in that passage are verses 12‐13 which read,
12 The author would like to thank Br. Hadi Hashmi for his research paper, “Verses dealing with the Death
Penalty for the Apostate.”
13 Taken from The Bible Suite Collection (ValuSo􀄞, 2006).
12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their
heart and with all their soul; 13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel
should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
From the New Testament, one finds in Romans 1:20‐32 that Paul approves of the death
of idolaters, homosexuals and other sinners. This passage reads,
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it
unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;
so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified
him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible
man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also
gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their
own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women
did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the
men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men
with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence
of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant‐breakers, without
natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that
they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have
pleasure in them that do them.
The above examples should be sufficient. The interested reader may further consult
Deuteronomy 13:12‐18 and Deuteronomy 17: 1‐7.
Actually, as is well‐known, the history of the official Christian church and many of its
leaders on issues of this nature is very dark indeed. One did not need to be an apostate
to be killed in the history of Christianity. Apostasy is to be distinguished from heresy,
as is clear in the following passage from the Encyclopedia Britannica,
[Apostasy is] the total rejection of Christianity by a baptized person who, having at one
time professed the faith, publicly rejects it. It is distinguished from heresy, which is
limited to the rejection of one or more Christian doctrines by one who maintains an
overall adherence to Jesus Christ.
Two examples from the history of Christianity dealing simply with heretics—not
apostates—should suffice here. The Cathars, a pacifist heretical group of southern
France, were crushed. Pope Innocent III declared a crusade against them. Here is how
two Christian authors described part of that crusade:
In 1209, Arnold Amaury, abbot of Citeaux, called for the collective slaughter of all
Cathars in the town of Beziers. His motto, which has carried forth into modern
expression, stated, ʺKill them all, the Lord knows those who are his.ʺ Only a small
minority of the town, perhaps five hundred, was made up of Cathars, but all the city paid
the price for guilt by association. Twenty thousand were killed. Thus began the wholesale
slaughter of thousands of Cathars in the thirteenth century.14
Non‐Catholics, of course, may respond to the above by putting the blood of those deeds
on the hands of the evil Catholics. However, one should not forget Martin Luther’s
ruling concerning the Anabaptists, another pacifist heretical group who had the
audacity to have themselves re‐baptized when adults.15 Martin Luther stated that such
heretics are not to be tolerated and the only fitting punishment for them was hanging.16
This approach is in compelling contrast to the legacy of Islam. Not long after the death
of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), the caliph Ali had to face the
crisis of the heretical group known as the Khawarij. Although he sent people to preach
to them to correct their misunderstandings, his approach was that they were not to be
physically attacked by the state as long as they did not commit any acts of violence
against the Muslims. The Khawarij did become violent, and it became necessary for Ali
to fight and defeat them. Afterwards, he was asked about them. He was asked if they
were polytheists, and Ali replied that they, by holding the beliefs they held, were
attempting to flee from falling into polytheism. When he was asked if they were
hypocrites, he replied that hypocrites rarely remember and mention Allah. Finally, they
asked him, “What are they?” He replied, “They are our brethren who revolted against
us and we fought them only due to their revolting against us.”17
For God or For Country?
The history just referred to is actually very relevant for the contemporary discussion. It
was this history that led to revulsion among Western thinkers to the idea of killing for
14 Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner, Christian Jihad (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications,
2004), p. 183.
15 One can only wonder what Martin Luther would have to say about today’s “born again” Christians.
16 See Caner and Caner, p. 162.
17 Abu al‐Fidaa Ismaaeel ibn Katheer, Al‐Bidaayah wa al‐Nihaayah (Beirut: Maktabah al‐Maarif, n.d.), vol. 7,
p. 290.
the sake of God. There was so much killing of Christians by Christians in Europe that
the great thinkers of Europe finally concluded that it makes no sense to kill “in the
name of God.”
It did not take long for what occurred in the particular circumstances of Europe to be
accepted by Western thinkers as “universal principles.” Nothing highlights this fact
more than a short treatise prepared by the Institute for American Values shortly after
9/11. This paper was entitled, “What We’re Fighting For.” It was signed by many of the
leading intellectuals in the United States, including Francis Fukuyama, Samuel
Huntington, Daniel Patrick Moynihan and many others—including some of the leading
just war theorists of today, such as James Turner Johnson, John Kelsay and Jean Bethke
Elshtain.
In the opening passages of that paper, they state the following:
We affirm five fundamental truths that pertain to all people without distinction:
1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
2. The basic subject of society is the human person, and the legitimate role of government is
to protect and help to foster the conditions for human flourishing.
3. Human beings naturally desire to seek the truth about lifeʹs purpose and ultimate ends.
4. Freedom of conscience and religious freedom are inviolable rights of the human person.
5. Killing in the name of God is contrary to faith in God and is the greatest betrayal of the
universality of religious faith.
We fight to defend ourselves and to defend these universal principles.
Points numbers four and five are of most interest here. This author has to admit that the
logic of this preamble escapes him. For example, how did Point 5 become a universal
principle?18 It definitely goes against what the West believed in for centuries. In reality,
to this day, it is not a “universal principle” within the West—as can be seen by
18 Note that the treatise never defines what is meant by “killing in the name of God.” If
they are referring to something like the Crusades or the Inquisition, such events have
never been characteristic of Islamic practices and one would hope that to reject practices
of that nature would be a universal principle. However, if they are referring to the
concept that one believes that his belief in God requires that he may even have to kill
another human for specific reasons, then it is definitely highly presumptuous of them to
claim such as a universal principle. In fact, based on the texts of the Bible itself and the
history of Western civilization, one could argue that the burden of proof is upon those
who claim that God never condones any killing in His name as opposed to those who
say that such is a possibility.
Christians who have been fighting each other in Northern Ireland and those who have
committed murder at abortion clinics in the name of God. It is astonishing to see that
after mentioning the basic principles, they then say that they fight “to defend these
universal principles.”
At the very least, they should have said that they believe that these principles are good
for all of humankind and deserving of the greatest amount of support. They way they
have stated their case—and as signed by numerous dignitaries—has a fundamental
logical flaw in it. How can they “fight” to defend the “universal principle” of “killing in
the name of God is contrary to faith” while also fighting to defend the principle of
“religious freedom” as one of the “inviolable rights of the human person”? From what
they stated, one could argue that it is acceptable to fight for the sake of God against
those people who kill in the name of God because killing in the name of God is contrary
to faith in God, as they have stated!
But what have they done in reality? All they have done is replaced religion—for which
one is not allowed to fight—with some principles that they have concluded—for which
one is allowed to fight! Why should more weight be given to their devised principles
rather than the principles that one believes has been revealed from God? Isn’t fighting
for man‐made principles nothing more than a “secular holy war”? In one of his
numerous writings, James Turner Johnson made a valuable comment that highlights the
self‐contradiction of the stance that these signatories have taken. He wrote,
However, when the state itself develops a state ideology, something very much like holy
war reasoning reasserts itself in secular guise. Examples include the ideologies of
nationalism, nazism, communism, ethnicity, and even democracy. The West, then, has not
completely rejected war for religion, for something very like it lives on in the form of
wars for various justifying ideologies.19
Now comes a very perplexing question for anyone who believes in God, which, it seems,
is still the majority of humankind today: How is it that one is not allowed to fight for the sake of
God’s religion—God who created and nourished all of humankind—yet it is considered
acceptable today to fight in the name of man-made ideologies, such as “democracy” or
“freedom”? Indeed, it is considered completely acceptable today to fight in the name of manmade
“nations.” People get together and form a nation, sometimes a result of most arbitrary
historical events, and yet it becomes considered acceptable and logical for the people of that
nation to kill others in wars carried out in the name of that nation. The same people who defend
those types of wars, including many of the signatories to the above mentioned treatise, will
condemn killing or fighting in the name of religion or for the sake of God. Which one should
make more sense to the one who believes in God, regardless of whether he be a Jew, Christian,
Muslim or whatever?
19 James Turner Johnson, The Holy War Idea in Western and Islamic Traditions (University Park, PA: The
Pennsylvania State University Press, 1997), p. 60
The issue becomes even more perplexing for those who believe in God: An individual
can be jailed for life and even put to death for treason, all in the name of the state, yet at
the same time, in the name of freedom of expression, anyone is allowed to say anything
they wish about God, religion or virtually any other subject. The man‐made entity
called the state—which may not even exist tomorrow, such as Yugoslavia, or may even
give up its overriding ideology, such as the USSR—has the right to put someone to
death but God has no right to call for the death of any individual.20
The result is a rather hypocritical situation. If such rights for states are accepted then
they must also be accepted for God, especially when one’s view of God embodies state,
society and personal devotion, as in the case of Islam.
The Paradox of Human Rights and the Freedom to Believe
Those who object to the law of apostasy in Islam in the name of “human rights” have
fallen into a very interesting paradox. According to the principle of freedom of belief,
nobody should be asked to give up anything they believe in, however today, it is being
demanded of Muslims that they not believe in or implement the Islamic law of
apostasy. In other words, in the name of human rights and the freedom to believe, they
are saying that one does not have the right to believe that someone should be put to
death for denying the religion of Islam. This is very much similar to Henry Ford saying,
“You can have the Model T in any color you like, as long as it is black.” They are
actually defining the limits of one’s belief and they are doing that in the name of
freedom of belief.
Proponents of human rights have openly voiced their view: If there is any conflict
between human rights—that is, what they claim to be human rights—and any religion
or way of life, then human rights takes precedence. In other words, one has the freedom
to do and believe what one pleases as long as it is in accord with what the
propagators—or dare one say, false gods—of human rights approve of. Ann Elizabeth
Mayer, for example, writes,
Muslims may have the sincere conviction that their religious tradition requires deviations
from international law, and such private beliefs must be respected. However, the
20 Without continuing this discussion too much further, it should be noted that someone may argue here
that the laws of the state are drawn up by individuals in the interest of the members of the state. That
premise, in itself, is questionable. One could easily argue—and history would be a strong witness—that
the laws of the state are mostly drawn up to support the contemporaneous powerful elites in the state,
which just enough “power” given to others to appease them. (I believe it was James Madison who made
virtually the same point in the Federalist Papers.) In any case, the Islamic argument is that the believer in
God should trust God’s ability to lay down laws more than he should trust the limited capabilities of
humans to lay down laws for entire states.
situation becomes different when beliefs that Islamic rules should supersede human
rights are marshaled to promote campaigns or measures for stripping others of rights to
which they are entitled under international law or when such beliefs are cited to buttress
governmental policies and laws that violate the International Bill of Rights. The resulting
curbs on rights and freedoms go well beyond the realm of protected private beliefs and
enter the domains of politics and law.21
Mayer claims to write more from an international observer of law. So now, she has gone
from declaring freedom of religion to declaring what types of religion will be free to
exist and be actually put into practice. Obviously, any religion that claims any say in
“politics” or “law” is not an acceptable religion.
In a work entitled Women’s Rights Human Rights: International Feminist Perspectives,
Meyer wrote an article in which she delineated some of what must be removed from the
Islamic world due to its contradiction with the concept of human rights. Note how
many of the following clearly and without question violate direct texts of the Quran or
Sunnah,
Laws [in the Muslim Middle East] commonly provide that the wife must obey her
husband, that wives are not allowed to work outside the home without their husbands’
permission, that men may take up to four wives, that a Muslim woman may not marry
outside the faith, and that women are entitled to only one‐half the inheritance share that
men inherit in the same capacity. Depending on the country involved, one may find that
women are compelled to wear concealing garments in public… that their testimony in
court is excluded or valued at one‐half the weight of a man’s, that they are not allowed to
travel without the permission of a male relative or unless accompanied by a male
relative… Obviously it would be hard to justify the retention of such laws if one took
seriously international norms such as Article 2 of CEDAW [Convention on the
Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination Against Women, in force since 1918], requiring
all states “to pursue all appropriate means and without delay a policy of eliminating
discrimination against women.”22
Similarly, a􀄞er the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna in June 1993, the New
York Times stated that Washington warned “that it would oppose any attempt to use
21 Ann Elizabeth Mayer, Islam and Human Rights (Boulder, CO: Westview Press, 1999), p. xv.
22 Ann Elizabeth Mayer, “Cultural Particularism as a Bar to Women’s Rights: Reflections on the Middle
Eastern Experience,” in Julie Peters and Andrea Wolper, eds., Women’s Rights Human Rights: International
Feminist Perspectives (New York: Routledge, 1995), p. 177. Note that few Muslim countries have ratified
the CEDAW and among those that have, they entered reservations on some of its points. Mayer,
however, argues that such reservations are not valid because they are “incompatible with the object and
purpose of the treaty or convention involved.” Mayer, “Cultural,” p. 178. Basically she is actually saying,
and correctly so, that Muslim countries should refuse to sign such conventions when they contain
affronts to the Islamic religion.
religious and cultural traditions to weaken the concept of universal rights.”23 At that
conference, Secretary of State Warren Christopher stated that the U.S. will defend the
universality of those rights against those who hold, in his own words, “that human
rights should be interpreted differently in regions with non‐Western cultures.”24
It seems that what they are saying is clear: Although freedom of belief is a fundamental
human right, according to the article quoted above, before one is truly allowed to
believe in or practice any religion, one must check with the human rights experts to
ensure that the beliefs and practices of that religion are compatible with fundamental
human rights. If this is not a paradox, nothing is.
The following question remains: What “right” do they have to force such paradoxical
thinking upon the Muslims, requiring that the Muslims actually alter their faith? It
seems that there is no such “right” as such a right could only be invoked by
contradicting the Muslim’s “fundamental human rights”!
Conclusion
It is beyond the scope of this article to touch upon all of the relevant points related to
the question of the law of apostasy in Islam25 in the light of contemporary thought and
attitudes. However, the above has been sufficient to demonstrate that there does not
seem to be any logical, historical or philosophical argument that proves that Islam’s law
of apostasy is unacceptable or irrational, especially when applied within the strict
confines of the principles of Islamic Law.
The belief in the Islamic law of apostasy stems from the Islamic belief in God, the
Creator. It stems from the belief that God has the right to lay down laws for His
creatures and that, in fact, He is the best in laying down such laws. This should be
considered logical by anyone who believes in God. Even though it can be considered
logical, this argument is repugnant to many of the West, even those who believe in God.
However, this fact has more to do with the West’s unique history than with the logic of
the argument being made. The West experienced a period in which many were killed in
23 Quoted in Noam Chomsky, The Umbrella of U.S. Power: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the
Contradictions of U.S. Policy (New York: Seven Stories Press, 1999), p. 11.
24 Chomsky, p. 12.
25 For example, one important issue not discussed here is the question of the conditions for applying a hadd
(prescribed penal punishment) in Islam. In particular, given all of the conditions that must exist before hadd
punishments are implemented, can a country like today’s Afghanistan truly have the right to implement the hadd
punishment for apostasy? It is very possible that the government itself is committing kufr (disbelief), not to speak of
opening the door for all sorts of anti-Islamic organizations and peoples to work freely in the land. This very
important issue is one that contemporary Muslim scholars must discuss in detail as the harm of misapplying the
hadd could possibly be very great for Muslims and Islam as a whole.
the name of God and they also experienced a period in which they realized that their
scriptures are not truly from God, due to their manifest contradiction with science. Both
of these facts led the West to move away from “God’s law” to man‐made laws. One,
though, cannot derive “universal principles” from the experience of this small portion
of human beings. In fact, those phenomena have no relevance whatsoever to Islam.
Thus, there is no logical reason for a Muslim not to trust in Islam’s scripture, the Quran,
as being a true revelation from God.
Hence, there is no reason for a Muslim to abandon God’s law.
Similarly, there is no reason for a Muslim to stop believing in the fact that the best
lawgiver is God Himself.
Therefore, there is no logical reason for a Muslim to stop believing in the Islamic law of
apostasy as explained by the Prophet of God, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah
be upon him).

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By the Name of Allah and his blessings I begin:

I have been asked this question before from non-muslims since i live in the west. Inshallah i will advise you about this matter as it is sensitive topic and maybe you can benefit from the experiences I had before. Smile

Firstly, keep in mind that non-muslims think and perceive every matter from secular western angle. Thus, it is the best to follow the advise that was given to us long time ago when it was said:" speak to people according to their level of understanding otherwise people may decline and reject Allah's word and his Prophet's Hadith due to their ignorance" [I cannot recall who said this but most likely it is either Ali bin Abi Talib or imam shiafe'e]. in addition, please give this topic its time because it is not a question that takes one minute answer, therefore I strongly advise you to explain it fully and make sure the people who asked you have time otherwise it may turn out bad.

The following are some of the arguments I forward when I discuss this matters with them:

Countries design their national law to serve their national interest to protect itself from internal and external threats and danger to maintain their survival.
Laws vary in from one country to another depends on how they perceive the status of their existence. Thus, you would find the law in USA is different to the law in Norway for an example. This diversity implemented within various laws to be concerned with crime and punishment, which produced different punishments for one crime due to the different authority who designed the law. For example: homicides punishment can be life time jail in some countries while it is execution in other countries. This is very obvious in the USA as some states apply different punishments on murders. (Ask them here whether they agree or not, surely they will)

Islam is a religion that represents a comprehensive system that covers every aspect of each person's life. Accordingly, it has within its structure a formula of laws which have to be respected and obeyed since we agreed laws are made to be obeyed. (At this point you need to ask them whether they agree or not and they will agree anyway. smile). Now apostasy is considered a crime in Islam that has a punishment, which is execution. YET, keep in mind it is not as simple as that because it has to be based on evidences and proven and no doubts should be there. However, this crime has been highlighted as a serious internal and external threat but despite this threat, Islam provided whoever commits this crime a special immunity by making his word worthy and accepted if he ever decline or deny his apostasy. Furthermore, Islam gave the time for this person to review his decision so he can be saved from the punishment.
This treatment and this fully consideration cannot be found in any other law in this world.

Yet, let me sum it up for you now: there are two issues concerns this matter:

1) the punishment
2) the freedom of opinion that Islam allows

1) some may perceive the punishment as not needed because they view this issue or crime as matter of point of personal opinion. I say: we agreed before that law differ from one place to another; therefore what you may find crime in one place is not in another. For example smoking weed in Holland is not a crime but in other countries it is a crime!!! Therefore, personal opinion about the validity of the punishment is not recognized anywhere in this world because there are opinions that say that jails are wrong and no crime worth this punishment to take someone's freedom. If that is the case then no punishment ever will be made because you will always find people arguing and disagreeing. Besides when law is made, it always made by experts who are aware of the need and the circumstances of people. If you can accept that fact then why cannot you accept this if this law is made by the Lord of the world and the creator of people who is surely know the needs and the circumstance of people more than anyone in this world. Smile

Laws are made to protect and maintain societies and systems and it is not necessary has to suit everyone. Otherwise you will find thieves first ones to disagree with jail punishments and the murderers will be against executions and life time jail punishments and so forth.



3) Some may argue that its freedom of choice and Islam guarantees that in the verse in sura Al-Baqara that says in its meaning that there is no force in entering Islam. I say, this is vague misunderstanding about the whole matter due to the following points:

A) We need to distinguish between someone who entered Islam while he was from different religion. In this case, entering Islam is a choice he/she made without any pressure which means accepting the law of Islam. It is like someone applies for Swedish citizenship then he obtains it. Accordingly, he would vow in the ceremony to abide the Swedish law. smile

B) If he is born Muslim then he must be covered by the law regardless the notion that he may disagree on that. For an example is if someone is born American and the law says if you do X crime then you will be jailed would it be accepted from him to say if he ever did X crime: I had no choice to be American I do not want to be one so I do not accept this punishment!!!!

I prefer akhi to present them examples that they can relate to so they can understand. I would have explained it from fiqh perspective but you won't need it much since they are non-muslims. Smile

Wallahu a'lam

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